Comments on the Article "Was Jesus Dead?",
on The Father's Call Website.
I recently came across an article on The Father's Call website, that concerned me.
The article is titled "Was Jesus Dead?", and can be found at
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it is not my intention to analyse the article in full, I think
that there are some comments that can be made that show the big
difference it makes when you read the Bible with the "old"
understanding vs with the "new" understanding.
Defining "old" and "new".
most common, or "old" way, of reading the Bible is to assume that every
verse was personally "inspired" by God, and therefore can be used as
This non-truth has been very carefully crafted by
men over the centuries, and repeated so many times, that most Bible readers just take it
as fact. But that is a mistake.
Granted - at lot of the Bible is truth - especially the OT - but
working out what parts are truth and what parts are not truth, requires a
"new" or "different" way of reading the Bible.
The "new" way requires that the
words spoken by God are put above the words spoken/written by men (Mat
4:4, Deut 8:3). The second requirement is that we look for themes
rather than specific verses in isolation. A copy error in one place
regarding a topic is usually not repeated in other places where the
same topic is mentioned. Taking the majority of verses that agree,
weeds out many of the verses where translation or copy errors have been
It may not be a perfect system, but far more accurate
than just blindly assuming that you can use the words of men to
override the words spoken by God, which breaks the First Commandment (to put God first).
The major problem.
article brings out the problems that can be caused when someone, or a group of people, come
up with a "good idea", and then go looking for verses that back up that
idea. In other words, selectively using verses that appear to prove their point.
The Romans 2:1 principle.Rom
2:1 NET. Therefore you are without excuse, whoever you are, when
you judge someone else. For on whatever grounds you judge another, you
condemn yourself, because you who judge practice the same things.
In the third paragraph, the article says "... what men by twisting and wresting [Scriptures] try to make them say."
The article then goes on to do just that.
The first line says:
"It is revealed that Jesus was Emmanuel – that is, God with us – God in the human flesh."
So how is Mat 1:23 "twisted" to suit the purpose of turning the man Jesus into a creator "God".
First up, Mat 1:23 is a quote from;Isa 7:14 NET. For this reason the sovereign master himself will give you a confirming sign. Look, this young woman is about to conceive and will give birth to a son. You, young woman, will name him Immanuel.
A number of things to look at here.
"Emmanuel" does mean "God is with us", but if giving a child that name
"turns" him into a "God", then the child mentioned in Isa 7:14 must
also be a "God".
He wasn't, so just giving Jesus the title "Emmanuel" does not turn him into a "God" either.
"confirming sign" that the young woman (in the Hebrew language there is
no suggestion that she was a virgin) standing in the court of King Ahaz was to have a child via "conception", was to show
that God was still working with Israel at that time - hence his name of
"Emmanuel". The "God" that was still working with Israel, was God the
Father. The "God" that was still working with Israel when Jesus was
born - was God the Father.
there are strong parallels between the two children who were named
"Emanuel", but the two events are NOT exactly the same, and should not
be forced to be so.
straight forward, and very much a twisting of Scripture to say that
"Jesus was ... God in human flesh", just because he was a sign to the
nation of Israel, and so named.
From the second paragraph after the heading "God in the flesh".
"The Greek word is Logos. It means Word or Spokesman."
This is either a bad mistake - or a deliberate attempt to make Scripture say what it does not..
- the Greek word "logos" can be translated as "word or words"
(note small letter "W"), and is done so in the KJV over 200 times.
However, it should never be translated with a capital "W" (unless
starting a sentence), and it most certainly should never be translated
While "logos" is masculine in Greek, it should
be neuter in English, and this was understood over 400 years ago - as
Tyndale correctly translated it.
John Chapter 1
1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God.
2 The same was in the beginnynge with God.
3 All thinges were made by it
and with out it
was made nothinge that was made.
makes it very clear that "logos" can not be a man or "spokesman", but
when the Apostle John wrote the original words, he wrote in Aramaic.
The original word that was translated into the Greek "logos", was "miltha", and while it can be translated a number
of ways, none of them include a "man" or "spokesman".
writers of the article (they did not include their name/s at the
end) certainly seem to be "twisting" Scripture .
Point 3."Christ Was Converted Into Flesh"
This is where the article moves into Science Fiction.
There is no way you can convert a "God" into "flesh" and end up with a "normal" man.
a foetus, the brain has not developed, so where did memory banks
of all the "spokesman" did for 4000+ years reside? It would not
have been physically possible before the baby was born, for the undeveloped human
mind to hold that amount of data.
Was it cloud computing, and he just had access as he needed it? Again, this is not a "normal" human being.
truth is - an egg in Mary's womb was given the chromosome that it
required to start life. Jesus was born a normal physical child. He had
no human father, so he was a clone of his mother - except they were
different in sex. God the Father was a true father, and saw to it that
His son was given the education and knowledge that he needed as he grew
Luk 2:40 NET And the child grew and became strong, filled with wisdom, and the favor of God was upon him.
Luk 2:46-47 NET After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. (47) And all who heard Jesus were astonished at his understanding and his answers.
"Listening to them and asking questions" describes a learning process.
There was no "cloud computing" or memory banks on the side.
was born as a human child, after an act of God that fertilized an egg
in May's womb. God went on to "train up" His son, and taught him about
His "logos". In Aramaic, "miltha" can have the meaning of "primary
cause". If you are building a house, what is the "miltha" - the
finished house, or the plans used to build the house? Thus, "in
the beginning", God had a master plan to build up a God family of
children, who would love and worship and serve their spiritual Father.
Why do men go off on such tangents?
big part of the problem - as I see it - is caused by Satan inspiring men to write lies
into the Bible, and then have men believe that the lies have the full
backing of God (see the article "The Great Deception
Men are then indoctrinated over the centuries, and it becomes very
difficult to accept that our modern day Bibles are a mixture of
inspired words from God, and uninspired words from men, along with copy
errors and translation errors.
factor that comes into it, is that men and women have a strong desire
to "belong" to a group - no doubt going back to our tribal instincts.
These groups can soon start to take on cult like qualities, where
the leader and/or understanding of the group is the supreme authority.
Once that happens, maintaining the group becomes more important than
looking for the truth.
That is the reason why most members
of the "The Father's Call" group - if they were to read this article -
would reject it outright. The truth poses a threat to the cohesion of
the group. Therefore the groups "understanding" has to take priority.
The fact that someone has written an article which
includes the statement "The Greek word 'logos' ... means 'spokesman'" -
when all the evidence says it most definitely does not - does not matter, as long as everyone
in the group has the same false understanding.
Orchard Feb 2015
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